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[Solved] Rename Panel Feature Requests? Bring em On now

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Ok....so the Rename Panel has an upcoming refresh planned so time to discuss what peeps need.

 

UPDATE: THIS FEATURE IS ALREADY IN PRODUCTION SO THE TOPIC IS NOW CLOSED TILL THE FIRST BETA. 
EXPECT A BETA IN DECEMBER 2019

So far I plan to add...

1. Presets  Store/Recall

2.  Have ability to set the 'Rename' and 'Copy' and 'Functions' buttons to als0 Pre/Post or Replace and Add.

3. a separate Online and Offline mode.  Meaning you have different default settings for normal working and a different set of default settings for when using the 'Rename' and 'Copy' 'Functions' buttons.

4. A bunch of other sh*t already gathered from the post.

What else we need?
Speak up now or wait 3 years for the next refresh.....haha

 

Instructions:
Describe what else in detail what you desire for the Rename Panel.
BUT!! don't post a link to another program.  We are about making things better then the competition always!
So look what you like about other Batch Renamers....then think about how to make it better and then post it here.
   😉

Include mocked up screenshots if you can also if it might be hard to visualize.

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Maybe this:

rename all records (use with care)

 

 

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and:

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I often inject metadata into all my files i give away to other people.

Basically i rename the description and copy that to various fields.

 

I enable post and insert my text such as
"composed by", "vo heiko, music", "vo, music, sounddesign and mixing by tonstudio melodee..."

thus i rename the desription "filename+ composed by..."

and copy this information to artist, composer, copyright, designer.

It would be nice for me, to save/load presets for that for the whole process including the text and the copy process,  where i can choose to copy to the following fields (X) artist, (X) composer, (x) copyright, (x) designer....(x)...

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Having a few fields for copy to would be cool. Maybe you can do a dropdownlist each and you have 6 fields for dropdown choosing max.!? "copy multiple" as 2nd field.

 

Sometimes i forget to deactivate the button rename enable.

Thus every sound i spot to cubase gets the long text from my rename panel - maybe you could add a further button - "do not spot" rename text or automatically disable copying the rename text when the button is enabled !?

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By the way - when i search for sound variations of a sound, some library sounds have multiple sounds in one wav. Feature request: mark several areas for spotting into the DAW.

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By the way - how can i add pictures here ?

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@heiko

It's a bit odd.  If you hit 'Reply' and don't see it refresh the screen and try again.  I haven't figured it out 100% myself.  it's a bit buggy.

AND always copy your whole message to the clipboard before posting cuz once it a while it will give and error and this way you don't looks your message.

 

I saw the picture.....so you are suggesting a default attribute options that will write to multiple [fields] at once?

that does sound cool but tricky UI wise unless we all decided on say 5-6 fields that you always want to have the same values....hmmm

Like [publisher] [manufacturer] [composer] [designer] Then it would be easy OR we could allow selecting a TEXT file that has the fields hard-coded in it with values that would over-ride the field if found.

That could be super powerful and save many many keystrokes for people distributing libraries   😉

I almost feel we should add this to the Burn In Panel instead also possibly.  hmmmm

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A couple things on my wish list would be:

- Case changes: upper case, lower case, proper case, sentence case

- Sequential numbering for selection

- Trim - remove spaces from beginning and end

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@paul

1. what exactly is proper case vs sentence case?

2. Sequential number on the rear or head?  with leading zeros? with what separator? example please  😉

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I would be really useful for me to be able to delete "first n characters" of a field like description. Many times I want to delete number at the beginning of the text and if I use "delete only numbers" can delete also numbers inside de description; also if the text is "05 Ambience, Harbour....." and I delete numbers the results is " Ambience, Harbour....". I get a space at the beginning. So I usually add same strange combination at the beginnig such "-.-" and later I do delete "-.- ". This is a trick, but if the new rename panel make this easier I'll really appreciate.

Cheers

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@alberto

Yes I would like this also. 

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@alberto

This is coming for sure in the redo  8)

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$.02 from someone that immediately re-tags everything they get their hands on 🤣 

1) Most importantly, the ability to preview the end result. For example, before / after columns for the first 30 records or so. A certain Hamburg-based DAW company does it this way with their wave editor product, and it has saved my butt on many occasions.

2) Secondly - I know we're not trying to cop the functionality of other apps, but just the way we implement rename/trim/copy operations could be standardized to be like other database tools. E.g. the clearest way to make changes to multiple records is a multi-line expression builder, with drop-downs that contain finite possibilities, but the logic + total number of lines is open-ended:

[IF][Description][not equal][*awesome]   -->note the wildcard, we need wildcards

[AND][Filetype][NOT][.wav]

[AND][Bpm][IS NUMBER]

...etc. Various consumer-friendly database apps (i.e. with low technical knowledge requirements) tend to use this approach - just simple lines with drop-downs that populate the syntax. The aforementioned wave editor uses something similar in its "Batch Rename" tool. It makes what's about to happen much clearer - rather than than having to scan vertically to see if you've failed to create the right dependency, accidentally checked (or failed to check!) a box...etc.

Disadvantage: requires code combobulation and possibly re-formatting the Rename pane, or creating a pop-up dialog like the Thesaurus editor, or pop-in window like the Taglist.

Advantage: makes it open-ended enough that you can always get whatever you want, forever, and don't have to continuously update the functionality/contents/dependencies of the Rename panel  😀 

Even though it does make things a little more open-ended, if there were a preview function you would know when the syntax was correct - so people not used to expression building would know if they had it right.

Let me know if that doesn't make sense.

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@joshua-fielstra

1a) You'll definitely see a preview of 1st selected record's output as you change settings live for sure like Nuendo/Cubase does.
1b) I also added to list for the coder that will handle this to see if we can have it update the entire Results List without writing to the Database also before committing changes.  This "should" be possible cuz we are doing it with Previewing Retail CloudPacks that we now having working in BETA inhouse.

2) This one sounds like waaaaay too much work and testing TBH.....hahaha 😉 
If you need to go that deep...either do it in SQLite or export a Text file.....Edit It  and Import it back in cuz I don't want to spend the next 3 months on this panel redo.  8)

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Already put this into requestbase but found this thread so figured would mention it here as well.

Would love to be able to reference other existing metadata fields when building a rename string. Ideally, in any rename context -- Rename panel or detail panel, etc.

In a certain other program, this is achieved by a function called "Field build" and other metadata fields are accessed by enclosing them in {}. To give an example, specific scenario that I very often deal with is renaming production audio files based on scene and take metadata, as in s17B_t7_08142019.wav

That is made possible by building a string like s{Scene}_t{Take}_{Tape}

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This again ties into the feature I've already requested above -- referencing other fields -- but just to provide another context where it may be useful and THEN voted for by others 🙂

I'd like to be able to rename transferred files on the fly with, say, first three letter of a Category field, then maybe some delimiter, then two letters of a SubCategory, a delimiter, and then a generated number or a string.

So that, for instance, a file with category METAL and subcategory SCRAPE becomes, when transferred, MET_SC_0746.wav

So I'd specify a rename string  like this, for instance <Category:3>_<Subcategory:2> and then perhaps APPEND a unique ID and a delimiter via some dropdown box. Or maybe a unique ID from a current timestamp that includes seconds, to make it instantly unique... Something of this sort.

In other words, again -- let us be able to use/reference existing metadata fields (or parts of them, like first several letters or last, etc) and build our own replacement strings. Some wildcards would be great, of course.

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@makarushka

This could be possibly added to the FreeText feature that I have coming already.  I put it on the list for one of the guys take a look at, but I don't think it would be that hard to add honestly.  

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@admin

That is fantastic news; looking forward to it. Now if I can only talk you guys into making a "Reference original" button TRUE regardless of any other setting... Meaning, just send the file the way it is and let the DAW handle it. Current "fix" for when channels are solo'd and "reference" is on (bug #62434) -- to transfer a copy of a single channel -- defies the idea of a "reference" mode. I'll extract a channel if I want that behavior, OR I can uncheck "Reference". When Reference is on, just send the file whole as a reference, I get the first channel of the file spotted in the track in the DAW, and then I switch channels there if I want. But I am still referring to the original that way. Just like the damn "rival program" works...

Please, please, please reconsider this implementation. Production dialog editors -- are there any in the house?  Chime in please 🙂

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@makarushka

Dude, what is with the attempted Thread HiJacking here?
A reply regarding a ticket about RFWP is not even close to related to a Rename Panel discussion! 
Discussions need to stay on subject otherwise this turns into the Wild West here.
This was sooooo not cool that I'm hovering my mouse over the [Delete] button with your suggestion about the Rename Panel right now......hahaha  😉

hmmmmmmm............Should I ........or Shouldn't I?   😛

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I'd love to have the ability to rename files with more options. 

The way I organise my files is to add an ID number at the start which is somewhat unconventional but for the way I catalogue it is very desirable. I store this ID in the "Short ID" field and then want to rename files by adding this pre-filename but the only option is to add description so I first need to copy description to another field, then copy ID to description, rename file then copy descriptions back again. A little awkward but having the ability to formulate a string using any elements would be great. That and the ability to properly set the delimiter between pre/post operations.

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I need a way to rename files quickly. Right now there are only replace/prepend options, but I want to completely rename them. I do this all the time as the source files are often things like T44.wav or 190729_001.wav. As I listen I like to rename the source files.

Is this impossible right now? I can't find a way to do this.  Am I perhaps missing the simple rename file option or is it pro only?

Also, F2 to edit a selected field would be great as it follows standard PC convention.

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@aaronbrown

I think only pro versions have the more advanced rename capabilities but even then it's a little limited. For instance a delimiter is added "-" but no option to add space or change the type of delimiter character. Also, it would be handy to have the option to choose any metadata to pre/post attach to the file names which isn't possible either, just the description so often I need to first copy the descriptions to a temp field, copy the data I want to name the files with to Description, name the files then shuffle it all back. 

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Good to know! Here are my requests with details.

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Auto Fill as the user types would be helpful. I’ve put together a big list of common categories and subcategories used in a spreadsheet that may be useful for you. Something like this, but that auto fills based on current database or user values would be great. Perhaps something like this could even be built out of a user database, or certain folders, to help users build their own examples to be very consistent with Metadata. The hardest part seems to be keeping things consistent and remembering all these darn values 🙂

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1S6TpUay8swkTOIi_6034kaBrrDln7Bnu5D78WtrcnTs/edit?usp=sharing

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Rename using IXML metadata! This is huge for zoom and sd recorders. Currently metadata from sessions is embedded in iXML on the F8. Being able to quickly rename internal tracks would be great.

The current process uses Reaper to rename files and scripts, but hopefully that can be done either in basehead or upon transerring to the session so all the items, including those of a multichannel file, are named based.

For a better description check out this evernote in the section METADATA

https://www.evernote.com/l/ABynAx-CY0NCcYPlzy9U12tasoL_Snh44jk

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Optional parity with other apps. Metadata is all over the place regarding nomenclature. It makes it tough to share source between users of different apps.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1aicAW3UqmaswLQFatnQx4jKsyVgQnsHfQxHwSKvoXN8/edit#gid=1023467772

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1RK1mhbq4s05pPx4O8fthOKqyMoDOcTYok2zLIHupzgg/edit#gid=520415191

 

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camelCase option so it auto formats in camelCase

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FORMATTING_Options_So_All_Caps_And_Spacing_Is_Consistent

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Suggestions based on your current library would be helpful. 

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Ability to use an assigned naming convention. Everyone has their own preference of formatting. Being able to form one and save it as a preset would be great! Example Below:

CATEGORY_material_primaryProp_action_secondaryProp(striker)_timingDescriptor(muted,openShort,openLong)_characteristicDescriptor1_characteristcDescriptor2_micPerspective_micConfiguration_Var##

  • CATEGORY - All Caps.  Should be a fairly broad thematic category
  • everything else is camelCase.  No spaces. Underscores only.
  • micPerspective is used for simultaneous multi mic setups to differentiate between types of mics or different distances/placements.  Otherwise perspective can be noted in the characteristicDescriptors that preceded the Var##. 
  • micConfiguration is for mutichannel mic setups (MS, XY, ORTF, spacedPair, surround)

Here are a few examples: 

PING_metal_mixingBowl_tap_fingertip_openShort_light_dull_close_mono_001

PING_glass_wineGlass_hit_fingernail_openShort_bright_tonal_close_stereo_001

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+1 Presets - Ability to store and save presets or import them from an excel sheet and save them. Huge time saver here!

+1 to previewing results

+1 to ability for copying between fields

+1 to generating text/names/fields by using sections of categories (MET_SC_0746.wav example above)

+1 to unique string ability.

+1 to changing delimiter to underscore or any character. Underscore is the most common I see.

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@aaronbrown

Arron,

Ultra will already show auto-complete/suggestion for you as you type in metadata if you turn it on in the Detail Panel and use the latest version and also allows you to double-click to rename the filenames in the Details Panel directly.

CamelCase and a few of your other above suggestions and +1's above will be coming to the new panel in 5.3 also.

I'm looking over your book now  😉

 

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Yes, BIG +1 on more flexibility in renaming -- offline and on the fly.

I have an Ultra edition, and I do not see a way to completely replace the whole filename with a string of my choosing. You can only replace a particular text string, and there aren't wildcards available AFAIK, and you are always limited to starting with the "Base", which is now limited to only Filename, Description, or some combination thereof.

PLEASE, let us reference other data fields as a base -- and in other fields -- and introduce WILDCARDS.

For example, I'd like to be able to name my files on transfers starting with Category, and append a unique identifier, for example. The latter probably calls for a separate feature -- an option maybe: "Produce unique filenames on transfer", which would generate a unique/random string to append to a filename.

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Ok......Some really good suggestion in here!

I've went thru it all and made notes internally.
I already started sketching it out earlier today and I think you guys are gonna dig the new changes that are planned

I've got a few major hurdles things to figure out UI wise and then we will start coding it next week.
No more suggestions are needed for now cuz I think we already have our hands full with this one already for sure.  😉

FYI: this is about the most un-fun feature to test, so I expect you all that commented above to put it thru the paces for us when it hits BETA...hehe

Wish us luck on this one!